Vie ([info]donnaidh_sidhe) wrote in [info]bad_service,
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what the bloody living fuck!?

Do not order flowers from www.urbanflorist.com. They will be only too happy to take your money and allow you to choose a weekend delivery date, only to phone you the day after delivery was supposed to take place and say, "We're sorry, we don't deliver on weekends because the courier doesn't. We can give you a free upgrade and deliver on Tuesday or charge you $15 for a cancellation fee."

Note: I already have the maximum upgrades available to that gift. I also chose the most elaborate vase and card available. There are no upgrades. And my sister's anniversary was yesterday. If I wanted to fucking cancel my order, I wouldn't have placed it in the first place. And if I'd known that the "Sunday, May 22" CONFIRMED delivery date on the order form wasn't going to work out, I'd never have spent $100 on flowers at that shop.

And now I've been on hold for half an hour so that I can get this fucking mess straightened out. I'm going to be charged $15 because their website order form allowed me to choose an option that wasn't actually available?

ETA

Dear Sir or Madam;

I recently made a purchase from www.urbanflorist.com, order #xxxxxxx. As I believe that all pertinent details of the order are attached to the file, I will not describe them here. However, I would like to express my disappointment with the ordering system available on the website.

When I placed the order on Friday, May 20, I specified delivery for Sunday, May 22, which the website allowed me to select and which the order confirmation page/invoice confirmed without notification of any difficulty for that delivery date. However, today I received a telephone message informing me that the courier did not ship on weekends and that I could take advantage of the free upgrade option (which was not possible, given that I had chosen the maximum upgrade available) or else pay a $15 cancellation fee for delivery on Tuesday, May 24.

In my chat with an online representative, I was told that if I had placed an order for same-day delivery, I might have been able to get weekend delivery, but with no guarantee on that. I was also told during this chat that the shipping policies page stated that the company does not ship on weekends. On the shipping policies page, the closest relevant statement is "bear in mind that weekend dates do not count as shipping days"; this can mean anything from "we do not send out packages on weekends" to "parcels in transit will not move on weekends" to "parcels will not be delivered on weekends." It would be much less misleading to state in plain English, "We do not deliver on weekends," especially as the statement "Same day delivery cannot be guaranteed on Saturday or Sunday" implies that delivery service is actually available on those days -- just not reliable delivery service.

I was most upset that the website allowed me to place an order for a day on which orders will not be delivered. I strongly recommend against making weekend delivery dates available as options in the drop-down box if the company cannot actually deliver on them. If I had known that the Sunday date would not be available, I would not have placed an order with Urban Florist and would have chosen a company that could deliver on weekends. I found it insulting to not only have my money taken for an impossible order, but then be told that I would have to pay extra to have it cancelled, or else accept a late delivery. It is dishonest to make it an available option to deliver on a weekend and then not flag the order as being impossible, but still accept payment for the order and then charge a $15 cancellation fee for it!

I am certain that this misunderstanding is not the sort of experience you wish your customers to have when ordering online from the Urban Florist. I have had nothing but good experiences with purchases from the retail storefront in downtown Vancouver, and this problem was certainly an anomaly. However, it still remains that I depended on this company to help make my sister's first wedding anniversary a special one, and unfortunately it did not work out that way. Please consider my suggestions for the website so that such problems may be averted in the future.

Sincerely,
[[info]donnaidh_sidhe]

And now, if they're half as classy as their reputation, storefront, website and location in downtown yuppietown imply, their next acceptable response will be, "Holy shit, you're right, our website sucks and should totally not have allowed you to place that order, and our shipping policies should have stated clearly that weekend delivery doesn't happen. We'll at least discount you the shipping." Because it's frankly crass to demand a refund in the first letter you send unless they started out being complete dicks in the first place -- or that's my opinion. I do hope that I struck the right balance between polite and outraged in that letter; today my "this is why you suck, but in a polite way" skills feel a little bit off.

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[info]camper4lyfe

May 23 2005, 20:49:32 UTC 7 years ago

Challenge the charge to your credit card.

[info]donnaidh_sidhe

May 23 2005, 20:54:14 UTC 7 years ago

Nah. They had it covered in the fine print. I can order and they will confirm delivery on weekends; I just won't get it.

[info]camper4lyfe

May 23 2005, 20:55:22 UTC 7 years ago

That's horseshit.

[info]donnaidh_sidhe

May 23 2005, 20:57:00 UTC 7 years ago

Yes, it is.

[info]luchog

May 24 2005, 23:54:16 UTC 7 years ago

I don't know Canadian laws, but down here in the US, at least in my state, that wouldn't fly. If they confirm weekend delivery, then they are liable for failure to do so, even if they say in the fine print somewhere that they don't deliver on weekends. That's effectively bait and switch; particularly with how vague the wording was according to your post. At the very least, you'd be eligible for a refund of the shipping charge, and most likely the entire order as well.

I would definitely do a chargeback if that had happened to me; and the company refused a full refund.

[info]subplot

May 23 2005, 21:08:26 UTC 7 years ago

Ugh. Don't order from proflowers.com either. They didn't get my flowers to my fiance on Valentine's Day for NO APPARENT REASON. I had to contact them 3 times, once to alert them to the fact they didn't fucking get my flowers there on time. Second time was to remind them they promised to reimburse my shipping fee, and third time to refund the extra Valentine's Day shipping cost (which I can't believe I had to point out to them...since it didn't get there on V-day!!).

Grg. Makes me mad just thinking about it again.

[info]donnaidh_sidhe

May 23 2005, 21:26:40 UTC 7 years ago

Next time I'm ordering from a florist local to the city.

[info]plasticsardine

May 24 2005, 01:56:03 UTC 7 years ago

Actually, don't overlook proflowers.com. I do overflow work for them during the busy times (Valentine's Day, Mother's Day, etc), and they have a 98% customer satisfaction rate. Unfortunately, [info]subplot happened to be in that 2% of dissatisfied customers, but I've ordered from the site several times and never had any trouble. They're also very willing to keep customers happy, up to and including free replacements, full refunds, free future orders, or all or a combonation of those options. It's pretty cool to be able to say to a customer, "What can I do to make you happy, sir/ma'am?" and then actually be able to do what they ask.

[info]nameistoad

May 24 2005, 11:15:14 UTC 7 years ago

I've actually only ordered flowers once in my life, on Valentine's Day in 2004.
I called a florist local to the recipient on Feb 12, and went through the whole ordering process. Cost me half what was advertised online, and my girl was absolutely ecstatic about it when they arrived that morning.

After hearing your story here, I think I'll be using local florists for any future orders myself...

[info]lsmith_2003

May 24 2005, 15:01:37 UTC 7 years ago

I've had good and bad experiences with them. They didn't get flowers to me from my boyfriend on my birthday, but they were there the next day and they refunded him shipping I think. And I've sent flowers through them several times with no problems at all.

[info]jumbach

May 23 2005, 21:28:28 UTC 7 years ago

Wouldn't it be easier for them to check first to see if the proposed courier delivers on weekends before accepting an order?? Or, find another courier that does??

Yep--that IS bad service.

[info]donnaidh_sidhe

May 23 2005, 21:29:39 UTC 7 years ago

Technically, it's my fault for not reading the TOS more carefully. At the same time, if you're not able to provide a service, you shouldn't accept people's money for that service before saying, "Hey, you know, we can't actually do what you're paying us to do."

[info]djmedieval

May 23 2005, 21:38:02 UTC 7 years ago

Technically, if you are not happy with the goods or services received (or not) which you paid for via credit card, and you can provide documented proof that you tried to remedy the situation with the merchant, you can dispute the charges, period. Confiscatory, bullshit "cancellation" charges don't fly with credit card companies either.

So call your credit card company, provide proof that you've asked for a FULL refund and haven't received it, and dispute the charge. The merchant will get a chargeback, which means they're SOL, and if they get enough chargebacks the payment processing gateway or merchant account provider will either drop them as a customer or raise their rate.

[info]donnaidh_sidhe

May 23 2005, 21:40:36 UTC 7 years ago

I haven't asked for a full refund. I'm just finishing the order, taking the discount, and not going back. I know I should vote with my feet and look elsewhere, but that's just another shovelful of bullshit to add to the pile that's swamping me right about now. I don't need any more trouble -- about the best I have the energy to do is tell everyone I know about misleading sales practices.

[info]wiseacre

May 24 2005, 01:11:05 UTC 7 years ago

If you take this shit, you deserve what you get. [info]djmedieval is right, do a chargeback.

[info]donnaidh_sidhe

May 24 2005, 04:32:49 UTC 7 years ago

Actually, now that I feel like I have energy left in me, I'm going to do what I do best and write a very polite "this is why you suck and I want my money back" letter right now. And if not, it's a big company that's registered with the better Business Bureau. Whee!

[info]wiseacre

May 24 2005, 01:12:27 UTC 7 years ago

Flowerscanada.com worked out well for me.

[info]lynbug

May 24 2005, 14:10:01 UTC 7 years ago

heh they do suck

but I ended up getting good stuff out of it, they sent me one batch of flowers that my friend had ordered, then sent me another. They only charged her for one though :P

[info]robertr4836

May 25 2005, 18:17:56 UTC 7 years ago

Help

However, today I received a telephone message informing me that the courier did not ship on weekends and that I could take advantage of the free upgrade option (which was not possible, given that I had chosen the maximum upgrade available) or else pay a $15 cancellation fee for delivery on Tuesday, May 24.

I'm confused. Were your options to:
1.) Take a free upgrade or pay an extra $15 fee (for canceling a weekend delivery that they couldn't do anyway?) and have the flowers delivered on Tuesday

or

2.) Take a free upgrade or cancel the order and get a refund for all but a $15 cancelation fee.

The way your letter reads it is #1 but that doesn't make sense. I think you meant #2.

[info]donnaidh_sidhe

May 25 2005, 18:29:57 UTC 7 years ago

Re: Help

Goodness, I'm surprised the two people I asked to go over my letter before I sent it didn't catch that. I meant 2.
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